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Pre---existence and Ascension explained

January 29, 2008

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This email is directed to answer some urgent questions, so when you read this email and  listen to my Audio's,  my answer to these feelings of guilt and sense of separation from the life of God,  you shall hear it with your inner true Self as true. However, do not try to understand spiritual language with your human mind, for all that comes from the Father of all is foolishness to what is known as humanity that believes that there is a natural man and a spiritual man.  

Now to question, No 1, I feel that will answer some other questions, so listen to that anointing that is in the midst of your heart, then freedom comes, bringing healing and restoration to your whole experience.. 

Quote, Dear Tony, Let me first say I witness what you said in your article "Beyond Knowledge" and understand what you are saying. I would like to ask a question though, you stated on your tape, Love, Dissolves the Serpents Tail. That you mailed to me recently.  You said, "the whole world is the body of Christ".  Could you explain this please? Does not the word say that if we are not born again of the spirit of Christ we are none of his? I am referring to Rom 8:9, 1cor 2:12, and John 14:17 to name a few.  In addition, my friend says we are God.  I know the body is "the" Christ, and we are one with God in spirit, but how can Adam be one with anyone, since Christ destroyed him at the cross?  I hope I am making myself clear.  Thank you very much.   Blessings,  Marjorie  

Thank you Marjorie, I will explain what it means "God so loved the world".  God ordained the world in the beginning to be the Body of Christ where all fullness is, but what we know as this human world, we are dealing with  a formation of cunningly devised fables, generated when Adam says; I am afraid, I am naked. This feeling of separation, guilt and fear of being punished,  caused the serpent realm to come into expression, the realm of opposites (good and evil) to be formed as it says in Isaiah 14----Isaiah 14:12-15 (MsgB)

What a comedown this, O Babylon!

Daystar! Son of Dawn!  (Lucifer is a Latin word for Light bearer, put there by a roman catholic priest called Jerome, creating this world of opposites, good and evil and this  devil that holds most of the orthodox Church in bondage as all along it was Adam--the Light bearer that feared and lost his One--ness in the Father.

I like to remind you that this Light bearer is Christ, the Lamb of God that was in the beginning in God that now takes away our mistaken belief that we are Adam and that is but a lie, as humanity is but a phantom of the unconscious darkness of the carnal mind. The Lamb of God, our true Self, which is the only begotten of the Father,  slain when this world was founded. Revelation 13   Rev. 13:8-10 (MsgB)

  Everyone on earth whose name was not written from (not before as so many teach) the world's foundation in the slaughtered Lamb's Book of Life will worship the Beast.

[9] Are you listening to this? [10] They have made their bed; now they must lie in it. Anyone marked for prison goes straight to prison; anyone pulling a sword goes down by the sword. Meanwhile, God's holy people passionately and faithfully stand their ground.

 2 Peter 1:19 (KJV)

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star (Lucifer---Light bearer arise in your hearts:

Rev. 2:28 (KJV)

And I will give him the morning star.  

Rev. 22:16 (KJV)

 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 

You now may ask me, "did the image of God, God's offspring which is Christ, fall

I do not think that anybody living in religious concepts can explain where F.E.A.R, false evidence appearing as real came from. However, I know that when fear came in, the Lamb of God, our true Self  was slain,  the nature of innocence that we had in the Father was disrupted and slain, veiled to all reality. Like I said before,---this dream world of the senses is controlled by the manifestation of the  false prophet that are in your un--consciousness and will continue to condemn you until you awaken out of the Serpents dream, and know your self as you are known of the Father, full of Grace and Truth. (As Jesus said; "Beware of false Prophets, thoughts and impressions of fear  that speak out of the un-unconsciousness, feelings of rejection, fear, guilt etc).

I admonish you not to listen to voices that bring condemnation that ask you, “What have you done with your talents?  These condemning words bring fear and uncertainty as to what you are in Christ Jesus.

These false impressions slay the Lamb and your innocence is defiled.  

Jeremiah 29:8-9 (KJV)

For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets(voice of the serpent)  and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed. [9] For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the Lord.  

Question 2.

Quote, “How can Adam be one with anyone since Christ destroyed that phantom sense on the cross?” 

That is a good question, as many dear brothers and sisters cannot tell the difference between humanity and Christ, which is the image of God.

 2 Cor. 4:1-4 (KJV)

 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; [2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. [3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

There is a teaching going around called ultimate reconciliation, believing that Adam, our humanity is eventually going to be saved, as it is taught that all shall be awakened and reconciled. This is a lie; I like to tell you,   Jesus did not come to save or reconcile Adam or in any way improve his status, as all humanity abides in the Serpent realm, the fear dream of separation alienated from the Life of God through the ignorance that is in them.  Jesus as the Last Humanity destroyed this sense of guilt and fear of separation, in His own body on the Cross. Jesus was both born Adam, but essentially Christ; He took part of our humanity, yes,  destroyed it in His own body on the tree. Jesus said; it is finished. If you like to know more of the vicarious priest hood, type vicarious priest or it is finished in the web search you will find on my web http://freedomvoice.net  

John 3:12-15 (KJV) If I have told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man, which is in heaven.

 [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

[15] That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Can you not see that there are 2 lifting up? Jesus lifted up the humanity of all humankind in the man and by dying, Jesus destroyed that serpent realm called humanity. The other lifting up is this; John 11:41 (KJV) 
Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. Moreover, Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

John 12:32 (KJV) 
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men unto ME---All who are of the truth hear His Voice, they will not listen again to the false prophet that brings fear and uncertainty, they have the light of life.  

John 18:36-37 (KJV) 
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. [37] Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth hears my voice and will not listen to false impressions coming from the accuser..

 Lastly, an email from a dear sister that did not understand what I meant by beware of false prophets.  Quote; 

Dear Tony, I appreciate your teachings and your revelations.  You are a gift. I do take exception to the sentence to "be aware of false teachers." I do not think there is anything to fear from "false teachers" Perfect love casts out all fear.  There is an inner voice within all and is that voice which should lead and definitely not fear!  That inner voice will direct and guide all on their journey of awakening and it cannot fail.  There is a plan for every man...if not, we would have never come into truth. As we at one time, certainly at that time we were listening to the "false teacher."   

My heart is to release fear...let humanity know "all is very good" and to trust the voice within no matter what outside voices are dictating!  What we fight against we empower! My desire is not to offend, but I feel so strongly about this...God is in control.  There is nothing, which will stop the awakening and arising of humanity...nothing.  ALL is in perfect order and we can enter a true rest! We must unveil a God which is all-powerful and the truth that we are One with Him! In Love, Mary--------------------unquote.

Dear sister, I understand what you are saying,  and I agree with you, coming from a standpoint that all is wonderful when you understand first what humanity is and discern the serpent realm that speaks or prophecy doom and condemnation. Humanity is not awakening to its true self for humanity is the serpent realm a generation of a viper, the realm of flesh where the accuser of the brethren abides. If we do not have an insight as to what error is, we can never come to understand what truth is either.  There is not an awakening Humanity, the ego must die, and Christ must be born in our hearts.

James 1:16-18 (KJV) 
Do not err, my beloved brethren. [17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. [18] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.  

The questions and answers above should now give you a good understanding what humanity represents and what you and I are in relation to God, One only begotten of the Father and also know what I mean by 'false prophets'. A few scriptures for you to meditate on.  

Matthew 7:15 (KJV) 
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.  

Matthew 24:11 (KJV) 
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.  

Matthew 24:24 (KJV) 
For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 

Mark 13:22 (KJV) 
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.  

Luke 6:26 (KJV) 
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets.  

2 Peter 2:1 (KJV) 
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.  

1 John 4:1 (KJV) 
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hello beloved. This will be the last mail for 3 weeks as we are traveling to New Zealand, meeting up with loved onces there. This letter and audio's are deep messages of spiritual value, so listen carefully what the Spirit is saying to His Body and be blessed. Tony and Martha den Hartog.
 
 
 
 
  1. What is Pre---existence,  known by many religious leaders as re----incarnation?
  2. What is then pre---existence? Does it mean we have lived before or is pre-existence  but a physical re----incarnation of physical life. Is re-incarnation a God ordained reality or is this thing but a belief,   a state of hypnotism, a belief formed by the carnal mind?

Before we go into our lesson today, I like to answer some questions as to what re----incarnation and its relation to our present life represents. In this lesson I also will explain the word ‘Karma’ and the meaning of its working in this world of cause and effect, of sowing and reaping. The first question is and I quote; 

"You mentioned that the first chapter of Genesis is the Chapter reveals pre-existence and after existence. Will you enlarge on this; also can you show us, “what is the difference between God creating man in His image and after His likeness in the First Chapter of Genesis and the Lord God seemingly doing it all over again by forming mankind out of the dust of the ground in the second chapter.”

 

That is a good question, for most Bible teachers believe that the Lord God of Gen 2&3 is the same God as Gen 1.

I have also noticed by the writings of several teachings on this subject that it is believed that the Lord God and God are synonymous, therefore they spontaneously write that God formed man out of the dust of the ground and that is not so,  do you  see this?  The original creation is begotten of God’s own substance, incorporeal, invisible and perfect, it has no beginning. You and I are begotten of the substance what God IS,  not seen, not formed as we see it in Gen 2, where we see a mind formation out of the dust of reason. This is the paradox, as there is not a natural man and a spiritual offspring, there is only one corporate man called Christ the image of God.

The Creation of Gen 1 is a Spiritual Incorporeal Perfect creation, in which nothing is known of a material mind formed concept of man, as we see it in Gen 2 where it seems that God again formed man out of the dust of the ground. Is this true; are we but dust returning to dust?

No, no, we are not dust; we must intuitively know that God's true creation is still perfect, deathless, without father, without beginning, without ending.  I am now aware of this mystery consciously, knowing that my true nature is Christ, not Adam.

Romans 8:14-17 (KJV) 

    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are (not become) the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are (not become) the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Through recognition, not one day)

 

Christ is the Offspring of God.  Christ, the Image of God is equal and coexists with God the Creator as One Being. This is the Natural state of being to be realized by all that live on this planet, do you hear Me?

 Time or space, birth or death, sickness or health, has no part in the Spiritual Creation. Time and Space are concepts of materiality, which has a beginning and an end, and where there are opposites there is no true Being-ness. Do you hear? Christ is the Offspring of God; Christ hath no beginning nor do you as the Son of God an end. Can you hear this? Through Spiritual discernment, we realize the Christ-Principle, which transcends past present and future,  are all united in the eternal I  that I AM!

 Genesis chapter one gives us a Spiritual and Mystical view of what reality IS, and as we learn to Meditate in the Realm of this Truth, we will see the Kingdom of God that hid within us, unfold. Gen chapter 1, discloses our true heritage that we all had with the Father before Abraham was.

John 8:58 (KJV) 

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM

 

It was our Lord Jesus Christ who preached and taught the Principle of One God, One Father of all who is in us all, and AS US ALL.   Jesus in His Ascension into absolute One-ness, gave us the Holy Spirit, crying Abba Father, bringing us back to the Fathers house, crying Abba Father, it is wonderful.

It is however, unfortunate that so many Preachers and teachers do not know that the Lord God of Gen 2 is not the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Many Kingdom preachers do not realize that the Old Testament concepts of God are but the Law principles, working in us as cause and effect, showing us that what ever we sow is what you are going to reap, as the wages of a mistaken Identity is death.

It is because in Adam we all have inherited the belief that we are born of a womb, in the belief that we were originally formed out of the dust of the ground by the Lord God. These concepts cause all the calamity we see in the world today, appearing as many forms of disease, lack and fear of death. Our innocence and sense of completeness in Christ Jesus (the Lamb of God) was slain when Adam said, “I am afraid, I am naked”. The World as we know as humanity is founded by fear and by one man's disobedience, we all died the death. Because of the fear of death and judgement, we became material in our life’s experience. Do you hear?  Remember, the concept that man is formed out of dust of thought and reason and to dust he returns, commonly accepted by most clergy as truth. As far as I am concerned these carnal mind concepts is the original sin, giving us a sense of duality, (slavery) where we think that there is God and man. What do you think?

The belief that I am a flesh and blood being is what I call a mistaken I---DENTITY, causing all good and evil activities we see in this world today to come about. Do not forget, all this world of opposites is but an illusorily realm that Jesus overcame by dying as the Last Adam, freeing us from our fear of death and judgment.

Romans 8:15-16 (KJV) 

    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

The term Adam means blood in the face or ruddy.

It is blood that is stirred into action man’s emotions, causing all sorts of demon-------strations of his fleshly nature, bringing disease, fear, and the entire calamity we witness in the world today. .

  1. It was The Lord God of Gen2, that brought a belief that man was formed out of carnal mind dust, the phantom of a separate selfhood. 
  2. The fabric of this phantom man is a material substance we call flesh and blood, a product of the ground.
  3. This is the emotional nature of man, living under a veil of duality. This man is not a product of the Creator God; this man is but an illusion.

We see in the history of the Hebrews that this Lord God, (the outworking of carnal mind Law) was a very hard taskmaster, is this not so?  We must never think that is was GOD the Father of our Lord Jesus that was the cause of all these calamities, for it is the hoax to believe  that evil came from God.  Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God” God, our true Self cannot be tempted by evil neither does He Himself tempt anyone.

Nevertheless, each one is tempted, drawn away by desire and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

As Christians, we have worshiped and paid homage to MORAL LAW, which came by Moses and because of the insensitivity of their heart, could not hear the Father God's Voice. Remember, Grace and Truth did not come to us through Moses, Truth came by our Lord Jesus Christ, no Truth nor Grace came by Moses. If we can hear His voice today and receive Him into our Heart we can escape the Wrath of Cosmic retribution, for the wages of a mistaken IDENTITY IS DEATH (Outworking of built up un-consciousness (realm of the dead)  which brings its own reward, for as a man sows so also shall he reap.

Notice, God has nothing to do with the punishment for sin; punishment is our mistaken belief that God is dealing with us, causes us to have all the problems in life, do you hear this?  If we forsake this old religious  concept and  belief in the Lord God as meaning God dealing with us to perfect us, that we can escape the wrath the Law.

Is the Law then against the promises of God?

 God forbid, for it is the Law that reveals that I am barking up the wrong tree. (Tree of Knowledge)

I hope that this letter will help you correctly see the difference between the Lord God of Gen2 and the true God of Gen 1.  In this lesson, I will also give some clarity whether reincarnation and karma have any foundational basis in relation to our lives today, or are these things but figments of our imagination coming from the darkness of an independent self.

 Indeed, these subjects are significant, and when properly understood in the Light of our teaching material, for it will bring healing and freedom to those who hear My Voice. The teaching of the Law of Sin and its workings in the individual are all part of the search for Truth, therefore do not neglect it. In ignorance of the Law of sowing and reaping we see so many Christians fail in life and die before there time. The Law of Sin or Cause and effect is their schoolmaster, which helps our progress into God Consciousness. Eventually we will all experience freedom from sin, freedom from disease and poverty, as we advance into a higher level of the Mind of Christ.  As you ascend into this high consciousness, you reveal Christ to this world. The subject of Karma and Re---incarnation can easily be explained on the Physical the Mental levels, we will also show you that the Spiritual Dimensions of Life does not reincarnate,  as reincarnation is but reoccurrence of our sense of self that is separate and apart from God, it is but a phantom. Continued in Attachment----Love Tony

 

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